In a QA lot of 50 units with 5 defectives, why is the count of defectives in 10 draws without replacement not binomial?
answer
- the lot shrinks as you draw
- p is not constant across draws
- same mean, smaller variance
- finite population correction (N-n)/(N-1)
- check the sampling fraction n over N
basics
~20 sDrawing without replacement makes the trials dependent: each draw changes what is left in the lot, so the defect probability is not constant. The exact model is hypergeometric, which shares the binomial's mean but has a smaller variance.
solid answer
~40 sA binomial needs independent trials with a constant success probability. Sampling 10 of 50 units without replacement gives neither: the first draw is defective with probability 5/50, but the second is 4/49 or 5/49 depending on the first. The exact model is the hypergeometric, `P(X = k) = C(5, k)·C(45, 10-k) / C(50, 10)`. Its mean is n·K/N = 10 × 5/50 = 1, identical to the binomial mean, but its variance carries a finite population correction: `np(1-p)·(N-n)/(N-1)` = 0.9 × 40/49 ≈ 0.735 versus the binomial's 0.9. Concretely, P(no defectives) is 0.311 under the hypergeometric and 0.349 under the binomial — the binomial understates your chance of catching a defect. The sampling fraction here is 10/50 = 20 percent, well above the usual 10 percent threshold for treating the binomial as adequate.
go deeper
Know that sampling without replacement breaks the binomial's constant-probability assumption, and that the hypergeometric is the distribution named for draws from a finite lot.
Write the hypergeometric mass function from the counting argument, and state that its mean matches the binomial's while its variance is scaled by the finite population correction (N-n)/(N-1).
Judge whether the difference matters: check the sampling fraction, quantify the gap in a decision-relevant probability such as detection rate, and confirm what the physical sampling procedure actually was before choosing a model.
Own the acceptance-sampling design end to end, including how lot size drives sample size, what detection guarantee you are willing to state, and when the extra exactness is worth the added complexity for the people running the plan.
## Why the binomial does not apply A binomial count requires three things: a fixed number of trials, **independent** trials, and a **constant** success probability. Sampling without replacement satisfies the first and breaks the other two. In a lot of N = 50 units containing K = 5 defectives, the first draw is defective with probability 5/50 = 0.1. But the second draw's probability depends on the first: 4/49 ≈ 0.082 if the first was defective, 5/49 ≈ 0.102 if it was not. The draws are negatively dependent — pulling a defective makes the next one less likely — and no single p describes them all. ## The correct model The **hypergeometric** distribution counts successes in n draws taken without replacement from a finite population of N items containing K successes: `P(X = k) = C(K, k) · C(N-K, n-k) / C(N, n)`. The logic is pure counting: choose k of the K defectives and n-k of the N-K good units, divided by all ways to choose n of N. With N = 50, K = 5, n = 10: - `P(X = 0) = C(45, 10)/C(50, 10) ≈ 0.3106` - `P(X = 1) = 5·C(45, 9)/C(50, 10) ≈ 0.4313` - `P(X = 2) ≈ 0.2098` The corresponding Binomial(10, 0.1) values are 0.3487, 0.3874 and 0.1937 — visibly different, not a rounding-level discrepancy. ## Mean and variance The means agree exactly. The hypergeometric mean is `n·K/N = 10 × 0.1 = 1`, the same as the binomial's np = 1. This is a common surprise: dependence does not bias the expected count, because expectation is linear and each individual draw is marginally defective with probability K/N = 0.1. The variances differ: - Binomial: `np(1-p) = 10 × 0.1 × 0.9 = 0.9` - Hypergeometric: `np(1-p) · (N-n)/(N-1) = 0.9 × 40/49 ≈ 0.735` The extra factor `(N-n)/(N-1)` is the **finite population correction**. It is always ≤ 1, so sampling without replacement is always *less* variable. The intuition: the lot has exactly 5 defectives, and every one you draw is one fewer available to draw again, so extreme outcomes are damped. In the limit n = N you have sampled the whole lot and the count is exactly 5 with zero variance — the correction becomes (N-N)/(N-1) = 0, exactly as it should. ## Which direction the error runs With a smaller variance and the same mean, the hypergeometric puts less mass in both tails, including at zero: 0.311 against the binomial's 0.349. So P(catch at least one defective) is 0.689 exactly versus 0.651 under the binomial. Using the binomial here makes your QA sample look *worse* at detection than it is. That direction is not universal for every k, but the underdispersion is, and for acceptance-sampling decisions the difference between a 65 and a 69 percent detection rate is decision-relevant. ## When the binomial is good enough As N grows with K/N held fixed, `(N-n)/(N-1) → 1` and the hypergeometric converges to Binomial(n, K/N). The working rule is the **sampling fraction**: if n/N ≤ 0.1, the binomial approximation is normally fine. Here n/N = 10/50 = 0.2, twice the threshold, and the correction factor 40/49 ≈ 0.816 is an 18 percent variance reduction — too large to ignore. Sampling 10 units from a lot of 10,000 would be a completely different story: the correction is 9990/9999 ≈ 0.9991 and the binomial is effectively exact. ## The senior judgment The practical question is rarely "which formula is prettier" but "does the difference change the decision?" Three things to weigh: 1. **Lot size.** Small-lot acceptance sampling — pharma batches, low-volume hardware, an audit of 50 contracts — is exactly where the correction bites. High-volume inspection rarely needs it. 2. **What the number feeds.** A rough exploratory estimate tolerates the approximation; a documented acceptance plan with a stated detection guarantee does not. 3. **What the sampling actually was.** If units were drawn with replacement, or drawn from a continuously produced stream rather than a fixed lot, the binomial is genuinely correct and no correction is needed. Confirm the physical procedure before choosing the model. ## Common errors Assuming the means differ (they do not); believing sampling without replacement *increases* variance; applying the binomial to small-lot inspection without ever checking n/N; and forgetting that the correction depends on the sampling fraction, not on n alone — 100 drawn from 1,000,000 needs no correction, while 100 drawn from 200 badly does.
- When is the binomial an acceptable approximation to the hypergeometric?When the sampling fraction n/N is small, as a rule of thumb 10 percent or less. Then the finite population correction (N-n)/(N-1) is near 1 and the lot's composition barely shifts across draws. At 10 of 50 the fraction is 20 percent and the correction of 40/49 is too large to ignore.
- Which model gives a higher chance of catching at least one defective here, and why?The hypergeometric: 0.689 against the binomial's 0.651. Every good unit you draw leaves a slightly defect-richer remainder, so a wholly clean sample is harder to achieve than independent draws would suggest. The binomial therefore understates the QA sample's detection power.
- How would you make the binomial exactly correct for this QA sample?Sample with replacement, returning each unit to the lot before the next draw, so every draw is independent with p = 5/50 = 0.1 throughout. In practice that is rarely desirable for inspection, since you may test the same unit twice and waste sample effort.
Dealing cards from one deck is not the same as reshuffling after every card. Once you have taken the aces out, fewer remain, so the hand you end up with is more predictable than repeated draws from a fresh deck would be.
saying these in an interview costs you the question
- Uses the binomial for small-lot sampling without checking n over N
- Claims the two models have different means
- Says sampling without replacement raises the variance
- Ignores the finite population correction entirely
- Judges the correction by sample size rather than sampling fraction